Thursday, May 6, 2010

National Day Of Prayer

Some controversy lately concerning the National Day Of Prayer. I know some Christians were frosted at the President's not taking part, at least publicly, last year.

I guess he's changing his ways this year, a little bit maybe? I'm not paying that close attention.

And then there is this court ruling that says the National Day Of Prayer is unconstitutional. That's funny, coming from a court system that uses oaths made upon Bibles as official swearing-in ceremonies.
It's bullshit to say that Congress can declare such inane things as National Dairy Goat Awareness Day, but National Day Of Prayer is off limits when chaplains are on the federal payroll, "In God We Trust" graces our currency, and references to the Creator embellish our founding documents and national monuments.
Now, all that aside...
As a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever...

Wouldn't it be better if all the churches and temples and whatever just co-ordinated among themselves to hold vigils or prayer meetings in a display of national/cultural unity on one particular day of the year without the government needing to get involved?
Will God hear our prayers more clearly because Franklin Graham is praying with federal blessings?
Does anybody need any President to serve as national imam, even if only for a day?

True Practice, True Faith and True Intentions cannot be decreed. I think these things are better encouraged, and they should be, by those who truly feel them.

And not by politicians who would just soon sell their own souls for power and influence as readily as they would preen for approval from the faithful.

47 comments:

K-Rod said...

I see nothing wrong with prayer.

Gino said...

i should hope not.

K-Rod said...

Gino, I only hope your more liberal folks around here would step up and say the same.

my name is Amanda said...

I started typing this, and then it turned into a blog post on it's own. Sorry about that! This isn't an argument with Gino, because we do agree on a couple things, but my thoughts, responding to his thoughts.

I'm not sure if there is much warranted controversy, at least on behalf of the media and pundits. This is most likely a hullabaloo coming from the "Obama is evil and irreligious" sector. (Not that YOU are that sector! Swearsies.) In recent history, Reagan held only one National Day of Prayer event for all his eight years in office. Bush senior held one as well, during his four years. Clinton held none. In the increasingly politicized climate of the last decade, it's not surprising that Bush junior held events all four years, though I am perfectly willing to concede that this is possibly evidence of his personal devotion. (Cite: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/05/04/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-knocks-obama-white-house.html)

If I wanted to devote a day to prayer, I certainly wouldn't need a protestant president to ask me to do so. I don't think it's necessarily bullshit to say that we can have a National Goat Day but not a National Day of Prayer. We don't have "Separation of Goats and State!" As opposed to acknowledging the importance of goats to our economy, fighting about a National Day of Prayer is a political move - it's not about devotion. It's about insinuating specifically the Christian notion of God into government, so that lawmakers can have an easier time passing laws based on that specific religious belief system.

Is prayer harmful by itself? Of course not. And as much I love the idea of a National Day of Prayer including people of all faiths in our country, it's not the Muslims or the Hindus or the Taoists or the Jewish population who are fighting to keep this day.

Just think about it. What would instituting a National Day of Prayer accomplish? I can see some kind of psychological balm during a national crisis (like 9/11 in recent memory). Other than that, there's isn't any particular advantage, spiritually, that wouldn't be accomplished on a personal level. And who would ask for this from the president? When I want spiritual guidance, I go to people representing the religion with which I most agree.

I think if a president wants to have a National Day of Prayer, they should make it clear that they are adhering to their own belief system, but if others across the country want to join in, on their own terms, then they should. Although having it declared by the government is unconstitutional.

Oh, and I don't think we should have those phrases on our money or the ten commandents at court houses, etc.

:)

Mr. D said...

That's a very good post, Gino.

W.B. Picklesworth said...

I think the whole "separation of church and state" is WAY overplayed (something that isn't in the Constitution has become more important than the Constitution itself, for some people), but I'd really rather that the government didn't get involved with goat awareness days, prayer days, and the like. I certainly don't want to make a partisan issue out of something like this.

Jade said...

I've always considered National Prayer Day to be some kind of political pandering, and not anything of substance.

K-Rod said...

"It's about insinuating specifically the Christian notion of God into government, so that lawmakers can have an easier time passing laws based on that specific religious belief system."

Amanda, could you please substantiate this accusation?

K-Rod said...

"(something that isn't in the Constitution has become more important than the Constitution itself, for some people)"

Exactly!

It is about Freedom OF Religion; not freedom FROM religion.

Brian said...

First of all, I completely agree with everything Gino says here.

Second, if your faith is real and meaningful to you, why do you need the mechanism of the state to promote it, unless it is, in fact, about insinuating a particular type of belief into public (and more importantly, publicly-supported) discourse? The motivation behind The National Day of Prayer is a fair question, particularly considering (as Amanda correctly points out) it isn't as though a particular mode of observance is any sort of long-standing tradition. (And in this regard, I would say it is very different from the ceremonial deism of "In God We Trust", etc.)

All cards on the table: I believe that there is no god (agnosticism is for people who can't commit), I have absolutely zero interest in convincing anyone else that this is the case, and ceremonial deism doesn't keep me up at night.

Brian said...

To clarify: by "the motivation behind the The National Day of Prayer" I mean the motivation behind insisting that the president have a formal observance of it, rather than the motivation behind the statute itself.

tully said...

I think it sounds like a nice idea to have a National Prayer Day, government-approved or not (preferably the latter). But I won't encourage it because I don't feel it strongly enough. My moments of spirituality don't fall into accordance with anyone's calendar. When I'm in unity, I'm in unity.

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"It's about insinuating specifically the Christian notion of God into government, so that lawmakers can have an easier time passing laws based on that specific religious belief system."

i'll take it up.

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you need more???

Gino said...

dont play words games with me.

tully said...

K-Rod is slightly annoying.

(this is where he replies "Just the facts, ma'am, or some stupid shit...I'm just saying...)

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