Sunday, February 14, 2010

My gift to you...instead of chocolates.

This is Tully. Here's a poem of which I'm a fan. I'll save my commentary for the comment thread. I'd really like to see what reflections will come from Gino's readers, who are probably more experienced than I in matters of love. EDIT: Perhaps it's easier if you see my comment on the blog itself rather than having to flip to the comments. It will, then, follow the poem.

The Clod and the Pebble
by William Blake

"Love seeketh not itself to please,
Nor for itself hath any care,
But for another gives its ease,
And builds a heaven in hell's despair."

So sung a little clod of clay,
Trodden with the cattle's feet;
But a pebble of the brook
Warbled out these meters meet:

"Love seeketh only Self to please,
To bind another to its delight,
Joys in another's loss of ease,
And builds a hell in heaven's despite."

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What I find surprising here is that the clod of clay that has been trodden takes up a vision of love that we would consider more romantic and less cynical than that of the pebble in the brook. When we are in our most pain, trodden by experience, we cling all the more to idealism and altruistic visions of human nature, because we are trodden while we are still soft. When we are pebbles in a brook, which I take to be relatively peaceful and safe from the hazards of the trodden land, we need no such comfort, or can find ample satisfaction in a more egoistic vision of love.

According to the pebble, Love seeks Self to please--that is, it seeks to please the self isolated from the other...the delight is there on love's account, and the beloved is sought to accompany love. I hesitate to say "merely to accompany love" because this needn't be a cynical conclusion. The pebble has distance on the pains of experience, and so can conclude that love seeks to please the Self. On account of its distance, the pebble could be wrong.

On account of its lack of distance the clay could be wrong. More likely, there is no right or wrong answer because the answer is so dependent upon whether hell is the foundation out of which heaven is built, or visa versa. Neither is hell to be wicked or villainous in the conventional sense. Hell is that which shakes up the moral order of heaven--the order of comfort. To discomfort the other, however comfortable may be that other with one, is to create hell in heaven's despite. From the brook, without having suffered the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune", we want to love more than to be loved...we want to shake the other to his or her core, and to remain as passionate as ever without being shaken oneself, is that not the ideal?

But for the clod of clay, love must hold out as a source of comfort--as giving--as selfless, giving "ease" and "creating heaven in hell's despair. Notice the prevalent is, for the clay, hell, not heaven. Heaven is that which can be made only to one already thrown into hell. The pebble in the brook is not in hell, but in heaven, where only "Hosanna" is sung until the unmitigated madness of hell is indeed our only hope. Whether our revolution upon the other is good or bad is perhaps all-too-irrelevant.

Both are right about love. Love can bring the greatest comfort to one who needs to be loved--the clay. Love can bring the greatest discomfort to one who doesn't need to be loved and the greatest pleasure to one who needs to love. To appreciate at this moment both Loves for what they are requires that we be both trodden and untrodden at once--perhaps the distant suffering of the solitary sage...but in his solitude does he not become the pebble? The sage must know more than his sagacity: He must know friendship, and only then will he know Love.

Happy Valentines Day!

7 comments:

W.B. Picklesworth said...

The Clod is right. Love needs to be directed to another's good or it is not love at all.

Gino said...

poets exists for the sole purpose of writing shit like this that cause other folks to venture into long explanations of just what is the secret hidden meaning,etc. yadda yadda...

love is many things, and if it doesnt have the abilty to hurt, then its not real..

i always told my kids that love is not what is felt, but what is done as a result of what is felt.

to bring it biblical: God so loved the world that he gave...

not that he felt really good inside and couldnt stop thinking about it.

and i dont think Christ was feeling much happiness as he performed his ultimate act of love for us,either.

tully said...

(more later)

Gino said...

your doing fine, tully.

just do what tully wants. you have no responsibilities beyond that. play in the yard, as little or ofetn as you get the urge.

kr said...

I had this argument with a friend of mine during his Ayn Rand years ... I gathered from his side of the argument that she tended to present all human action as self-interested at the base, no matter how altruistic it might on the surface appear. I found this outlook to be singularly depressing--well, no. I was sure if I adopted such an outlook I would be singularly depressed ... I found the outlook, in the other person, singularly annoying ;).

While I have finally developed an appreciation and understanding for making sure one's own needs get met--and that that is *part of* being in a love relationship ... if your partner loves you, it is a damn poor showing of respect and love back to let yourself get trodden down unnecessarily. Like all love relationships, this can look to God for example: if God loves me and created me especially and wants only joy for me (etc etc Catholic theology you know that stuff), how exactly is it respecting those gifts and God Himself to denigrate yourself or make life choices guaranteed to keep you unhappy?

So rather than agreeing with you (en garde, Sir! ;) ), I disagree completely--both the pebble and the clod are completely wrong ;).

my name is Amanda said...

I read this, and I thought about it for quite a while, but I couldn't comment because I wasn't quite sure what to say. Blake's poetry is quite an academic topic, and it's hard for people (at least, for me) to come up with feedback on academic topics if I haven't given them any study. And I WANT to comment, because this is Tully's first post, and I know good it feels when blogging people get feedback.

That is, I think Tully's interpretation is a good one. And I think most people have elements of both motivations on place.

For my own interpretation, I see it two ways: the way we ought to be - as the clod of clay, and the way we so often are - as the pebble.

I have another interpretation: the clod of clay as spiritual love, and the pebble as sexual love. (As in, to make a hell in heaven's despite as a metaphor for the distress of a person is sexual thrall.)

Obviously the clod of clay is given props here, and I'm not saying that in any ironic, cynical way.

It's an interesting poem, and like all good art, subject to many interpretations.

tully said...

Thanks Amanda.

Why privilege spiritual love over sexual? Isn't there a lot of overlap between the two? Why do so many people shout "God" out during orgasm? Granted, spiritual love in the sense that interprets the clay's view of love would be more a love for humanity than a direct love to God. My problem with this is that you're then spreading too thin your giving, to the point that it either cannot maintain its value or it suffers from the undeserving character of its recipients. Who among us can really believe that everyone deserves our infinite love and spiritual giving?

On the other hand, the pebble maintains its individuality and strength in the exclusivity of love. Perhaps it knows from its time a million years ago as a clod of clay that love only maintains its value so long as it excludes and chooses precisely. But in doing so, we choose ourselves. Whom else? In the case of the clay, we likely ignored the otherness of people in order that we might love them, because it feels good to love in that way--to give utterly is to be assured that you have infinity to give. In the case of the pebble, we are so much the more convinced that we acknowledge the other because we put so much care into choosing the other...but because it's an essentially exclusionary process, that choosing is well equipped to exclude otherness itself without being conscious of so doing.

So, when you say that the pebble speaks of sexual love and the clod speaks of spiritual love, I identify with your distinction, except that some spirituality has the sexual narcissism of the pebble about it-- an immediate relation to the Creator betrays the creation choosing itself in its Creation...exclusively of all others. Thus Abraham would even kill his beloved son to sate his beloved Creation.

Sorry for pontificating. I hope this is entertaining!