tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post22931238842520208..comments2023-11-30T00:41:47.585-08:00Comments on Shreds: Not Seattle's BestGinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-8538812533148307862011-07-07T14:38:29.011-07:002011-07-07T14:38:29.011-07:00Male strip clubs (for a female audience) will prob...Male strip clubs (for a female audience) will probably stay a niche thing-- I know more guys who <i>hate</i> strip-clubs than women who enjoy male dancers, even with social pressure going the opposite directions. Heck, some of the women who enjoy going to female strip clubs don't enjoy male strippers. <br />(Drawing only on the straight population to keep it simple.)<br /><br />Females just tend to be less visual. Compare the number of "naughty fireman" calendars to the number of "naughty nurse" ones.<br />Conversely, compare the number of romance novels that target men to the number that target women.Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-315692699937239612011-07-07T14:26:46.132-07:002011-07-07T14:26:46.132-07:00Amanda: exactly; the union of feminism and the sex...Amanda: exactly; the union of feminism and the sexual revolution provides fertile ground for strip clubs. <br /><br />So seeing that feminists don't seem to be, by and large, disavowing the sexual revolution, I'm anticipating not the end of strip clubs featuring women, but more strip clubs featuring men. Probably near Gino's old stomping grounds first. :^)<br /><br />And ewwww.....it will be "equality" in a way, but ewww....Bike Bubbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193546045614393425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-35882559227656934742011-07-06T21:14:18.274-07:002011-07-06T21:14:18.274-07:00Oh crap - I didn't return to check this thread...Oh crap - I didn't return to check this thread! Well, here we go then:<br /><br /><b>Bike Bubba</b> - "Which explains why prostitution and such is flourishing in feminist-dominated societies in Scandinavia and Germany, and why the porn and strip club industries have flourished in the United States as feminism's claims began to be accepted by more and more Americans."<br /><br />I'm not sure how any of the above words constitute "data."<br /><br />One of the functions of Feminism is to eradicate the sexual objectification of women - as women become to be seen less as objects, fewer people will find things like strip clubs to be palatable. Why do they still exist/flourish? Because <b>Feminism is a bitch that we just got started</b>. :)<br /><br />(And yes, I do include the last 200 years in "just got started." The Patriarchy has existed for thousands of years.)<br /><br /><b>Foxfier</b> - "I think a similar theory has been offered for why feminism somehow means that women are supposed to be OK with being treated as disposable in a physical relationship, but someone holding open a door is offensive."<br /><br />I think things like the above examples demonstrate how the movement is still working itself out, and the slowness of culture in general to accept different ways of thinking.<br /><br />Re: countries that sex-select babies - I can see the competition thing more than the sex slave thing, but I actually think that China for example will become more diverse, as men seek women from other countries to marry.<br /><br /><b>Gino</b> - "we all know that woman go after money,anyway"<br /><br />I can only participate in one argument at a time, Gino!<br /><br /><b>Brian</b> - I definitely agree that at least Feminism has been a "driving force for protecting the safety and autonomy." And I support any measure that makes sex work safe, and that contributes to sex workers being viewed as fully-formed humans deserving of respect.<br /><br />...There is the point to be made that perhaps there will always be a need for some people to have a sexual outlet that they pay for. My problem with sex workers how it all ties into notions about femininity and purity, sexual objectification of women, how the vast majority are women, AND how many of those women are actually girls. If the world was a more equal place, maybe prostitution could exist as merely a personal business transaction, and not as a purity metaphor.<br /><br />Anyway, maybe nude girls serving coffee is mostly harmless, and it's not like I would be a big prude about it, or act embarrassed if I happened to enter the establishment. But on a personal level, as a woman, it makes me uncomfortable. I don't speak for all women, though.<br /><br /><b>Gino</b> - Dammit, now I will have to argue with you! Well, sort of argue. :)<br /><br />Okay, I agree with you that Feminism is often a luxury for those who have a "secure meal ticket." But so is any political movement or philosophy.<br /><br />That said, it's not freaking Communism. It's actually incredibly simple. This is Feminism in a nutshell: Treating women like humans deserving of respect. It means trusting women when they communicate things (and I think the threads on this blog are great at that) and treating women as seriously as we treat men. At the base of it, that's all it is. Very workable into everyday life.<br /><br /><b>Bike Bubba</b> - Now, I do agree that - what you say about the combination of the sexual revolution and Feminism.<br /><br />Not that you need me to agree with that. It's just nice to agree with people sometimes.<br /><br /><b>Foxfier</b> - True dat.my name is Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484587200951022679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-43523799720618762142011-07-06T08:20:38.945-07:002011-07-06T08:20:38.945-07:00Sounds right to me, especially seeing the mess it ...Sounds right to me, especially seeing the mess it makes by removing things women who <i>don't</i> want this stuff can raise.<br /><br />Forget the strip clubs-- there are a shocking number of guys who think that giving a girl <i>attention</i> on a dutch date means they "deserve" sex. And a more shocking number of girls who can be manipulated into agreeing. *headdesk*Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-10803245154041849432011-07-06T08:02:58.252-07:002011-07-06T08:02:58.252-07:00Foxfier; I would suggest that what we see with str...Foxfier; I would suggest that what we see with strip clubs and such is a combination of the sexual revolution and feminism. More or less, when women were told they didn't need the protection of a husband or father, and men were told that they could get the milk (sex) without "buying the cow" in marriage, the stage was set (no pun intended) for the proliferation of porn and strip clubs. <br /><br />Not that there wasn't prostitution and such at all times before, but a barrier to it being widespread was removed.Bike Bubbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193546045614393425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-49893423316750524302011-07-05T18:37:05.155-07:002011-07-05T18:37:05.155-07:00i think feminism is a luxury affordable to women w...i think feminism is a luxury affordable to women who have already found a secure meal ticket. <br /><br />as a workable system or belief, it will only abound on college campus' to provide meal tickets to professerettes angry at not gettin the promotion, or a date to prom.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-59244895612005257802011-07-05T16:15:29.657-07:002011-07-05T16:15:29.657-07:00Sex work, (very) broadly defined to include any wo...Sex work, (very) broadly defined to include any work that makes sex or the suggestion/promise/simulation thereof a commodity for sale (which would include our baristas, here) seems to me to be an inevitability when the supply of female <i>sexuality</i> (not females) is far outstripped by the demand of male sexuality. <br /><br />Which is to say, everywhere, all the time, regardless of how many men and women there are, or legality. Sex work "floursihes" all over the world. And I don't think feminism has much to do with it...<i>except</i> insofar as feminism acts as a driving force for protecting the safety and autonomy of women, <i>regardless</i> of the type of work in which they engage. I imagine it is better to be working a legal brothel in Berlin or Amsterdam (for example) than to be a "maid" in a society where women are still viewed as property. <br /><br />Personally, I think nude girls serving coffee (or food) is weird, but mostly harmless, that strip clubs are some of the saddest places I've ever been (I've been to enough to know I don't want to go to any more), and that prostitution is safest when legal and above ground.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06799024060528185282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-92100364689953158782011-07-05T15:48:15.995-07:002011-07-05T15:48:15.995-07:00you will find men dressing better,and showering mo...you will find men dressing better,and showering more often. comeptition does that.<br /><br />which is moot, cause we all know that woman go after money,anyway.<br /><br />Amanda: without tats and peircings you are truly a model of proper womanhood for all lil girls to aspire to. i mean that.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-82890915392487806532011-07-05T09:29:04.574-07:002011-07-05T09:29:04.574-07:00While I don't believe it, the feminism= prosti...While I don't believe it, the feminism= prostitution and strip clubs effect you point out might be some sort of pendulum effect; I think a similar theory has been offered for why feminism somehow means that women are supposed to be OK with being treated as disposable in a physical relationship, but someone holding open a door is offensive.<br /><br />I think one could build a decent argument based on what it's reasonable to predict will happen in China and India when the lack of girls really hits, and what it's reasonable to predict would happen in the US if there were suddenly a lot fewer women. <br />(Sex slavery and possibly women becoming property vs more extreme competition for the women there are.)Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-62497407853149612182011-07-05T07:22:57.774-07:002011-07-05T07:22:57.774-07:00"If there was more Feminism in the world, the..."If there was more Feminism in the world, there would be less women getting paid to be nude, period."<br /><br />Which explains why prostitution and such is flourishing in feminist-dominated societies in Scandinavia and Germany, and why the porn and strip club industries have flourished in the United States as feminism's claims began to be accepted by more and more Americans.<br /><br />Sorry, Amanda, but I think the data aren't cooperating very well with your hypothesis, to put it mildly. There may be benefits to feminism, but eliminating strip clubs does not seem to be one of them.Bike Bubbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193546045614393425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-271778624530244382011-06-30T22:38:20.088-07:002011-06-30T22:38:20.088-07:00Ha, I'm out there, then. No piercings - none, ...Ha, I'm out there, then. No piercings - none, not even ears - and no tattoos. I used to want to have my ears pierced, but my mom wouldn't allow it until I became old enough to not care anymore. (And by that time I was old enough for it to be a "unique" feature, I admit.) Also I used to want a tattoo, but I could never commit to a location / design. In general, I now dislike tattoos, but I don't particularly care if women (OR MEN) (who aren't my SO) get them. To each their own. My SO teases me about getting a tattoo; I'm not crazy about the idea. I don't think he'd actually do it, though. Too preppy-ish.<br /><br />I find topless coffee shops (and topless bars, strip clubs, even Hooters) disgusting (because of equality, not morality), but they are clearly the result of a culture that objectifies / sexualizes women. If there was more Feminism in the world, there would be less women getting paid to be nude, period.<br /><br />:Dmy name is Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484587200951022679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-16066642156204054472011-06-30T14:32:56.060-07:002011-06-30T14:32:56.060-07:00Bubba--
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives...Bubba--<br /><br />http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/30/a-hatch-of-baby-giant-pacific-octopuses-just-off-downtown-seattle<br /><br />Synchronicity?Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06799024060528185282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-70490620159192476472011-06-30T13:41:28.208-07:002011-06-30T13:41:28.208-07:00Be REALLY out there-- don't maim yourself beyo...Be REALLY out there-- don't maim yourself beyond two tiny ear-ring holes in the lobe of your ear. (It's nearly unthinkable to be so outrageous as to not even have that!)Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-49444976615104581962011-06-30T13:33:16.455-07:002011-06-30T13:33:16.455-07:00my daughter is already on alert: dad hates tats on...my daughter is already on alert: dad hates tats on girls.<br /><br />i think i've got the last remaining 20-somethings who havent been inked yet.<br />like i tell them... be a rebel. go inkfree.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-22574251070978728292011-06-30T11:43:04.283-07:002011-06-30T11:43:04.283-07:00No...but that would make an awesome tattoo.
(I a...No...but that would make an awesome tattoo. <br /><br />(I actually have a T-shirt of a sea monster destroying the Space Needle that is currently my favorite.)Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06799024060528185282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-34735149391730223642011-06-30T11:08:31.921-07:002011-06-30T11:08:31.921-07:00Are there octopi roaming the streets of Seattle, B...Are there octopi roaming the streets of Seattle, Brian? :^)Bike Bubbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193546045614393425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-41148499339203629912011-06-30T09:53:39.403-07:002011-06-30T09:53:39.403-07:00Gino's just worried that his daughter will be ...Gino's just worried that his daughter will be covered in ink if she stays in Seattle for a while. It's contagious, you know...Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06799024060528185282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-34820147714691811352011-06-30T07:25:23.497-07:002011-06-30T07:25:23.497-07:00Hehe, I actually thought about it because the nast...Hehe, I actually thought about it because the nastiest hot water burn- as opposed to steam or oil-- that I ever got was when I spilled a hot drink all over my pantleg.<br /><br />I'm betting that when it's 100* outside of the shack, most women are going to be willing to risk a slightly worse burn in favor of being slightly cooler. This is all just a result of the bitter jerks they were interviewing a few years ago who were upset that college girls showing chest went over better than middle aged men and older women in tank tops. <br /><br />Because one or two people tried to use the law as a bludgeon, this was all totally predictable.Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-60551376643129933902011-06-30T06:27:19.546-07:002011-06-30T06:27:19.546-07:00Foxfier's part of the conspiracy, I see. :^) ...Foxfier's part of the conspiracy, I see. :^) (don't worry; it happens when you're gestating)<br /><br />OK, seriously, having been splashed on bare skin and on clothing with hot water/oil, I'll take even light clothing over bare skin. It at least spreads out the hot liquid and allows the body to deal with it better.<br /><br />Along another line, who would have anticipated that a young lady willing to bare her torso for the tattoo artist would also be willing to bare her torso for coffee shop customers? Shocker, that.Bike Bubbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193546045614393425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-2505586341279028862011-06-29T17:38:09.455-07:002011-06-29T17:38:09.455-07:00Not like a tank top or Tshirt is much protection f...Not like a tank top or Tshirt is much protection from hot water-- heck, bluejeans aren't much protection. Just holds it against the skin.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />(Word verification: lumaniti. Um.... is blogger telling me something?)Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-42187504215170496622011-06-29T17:36:33.875-07:002011-06-29T17:36:33.875-07:00cold coffee. tattood women. yeah, thats reason enu...cold coffee. tattood women. yeah, thats reason enuf for me to stay away.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-74909402907615470012011-06-29T17:25:52.936-07:002011-06-29T17:25:52.936-07:00@Bubba, or just really horribly made coffee as the...@Bubba, or just really horribly made coffee as the baristas shy away from proper creation conditions.RobertDWoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12468867977431697913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-64571450294914007582011-06-29T06:25:33.950-07:002011-06-29T06:25:33.950-07:00Bare torso. 200F water and 190F coffee. What cou...Bare torso. 200F water and 190F coffee. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?<br /><br />Granted, if a woman is covered with tattoos already, she knows about pain, but this just seems to be begging for workmans' comp actions.....Bike Bubbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193546045614393425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-78067914438268505872011-06-28T23:33:45.821-07:002011-06-28T23:33:45.821-07:00Gino - they have one of these sitting in the parki...Gino - they have one of these sitting in the parking lot of a gun shop... I told D that all they need is a big screen TV for football and they've got all the manly cliche's in one spot.<br /><br />The ones I've seen have to have blacked out windows, like a strip club, and only people going all the way up to the window can see in. Thankfully they are generally given a clever title that makes it obvious it's not a family coffee stand.<br /><br />But then, I'm too much of a coffee snob to go to a one-off oddly named coffee stand anyway. When I buy coffee, it needs to be from a hipster in a proper roasting house who describes the coffee as "wicked good"Jadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13959637910926242468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6875716674621937836.post-58181455181199472262011-06-28T19:36:47.096-07:002011-06-28T19:36:47.096-07:00This is Seattle. The 50 year old business lady t...This is Seattle. The 50 year old business lady that runs my apartment complex has a tattoo that runs over the top of her foot and up under her business suit.<br /><br />The "girls want tattoos" train left LONG ago.....Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.com